tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post2629351891838752200..comments2024-02-29T03:34:23.190-05:00Comments on Who Were the Sea Peoples?: The Purpose of Property Rightsgcallahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-11384698045891554622013-07-03T19:46:11.046-04:002013-07-03T19:46:11.046-04:00"This only works because your example of a li..."This only works because your example of a libertarian is a utilitarian, not a natural rights libertarian."<br /><br />So, you're claiming my example only works against the argument it was intended to address, not against some other argument it was not intended to address? How stunning!gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-17455984048706974482013-07-03T19:28:40.100-04:002013-07-03T19:28:40.100-04:00"The native would indeed deserve his land bac..."The native would indeed deserve his land back, providing he has a claim or some objective proof, that can show his ancestors really did own the land."<br /><br />Wow, Steve, how convenient! Of course no Indians have "objective proof" since they didn't have land registries, so we can just keep living on the land we stole from them. Whoopee!gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-6610865687433832392013-07-03T00:06:19.016-04:002013-07-03T00:06:19.016-04:00This only works because your example of a libertar...This only works because your example of a libertarian is a utilitarian, not a natural rights libertarian. The native would indeed deserve his land back, providing he has a claim or some objective proof, that can show his ancestors really did own the land. And your point about "most people want taxes" is mute in the context of natural rights. I agree, private property isn't just to settle property disputes, because to say that makes it seem like private property has been centrally planned. steveZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00598248557573036202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-10102014650054747902011-06-16T18:24:18.716-04:002011-06-16T18:24:18.716-04:00Yes, we might ask if they would have ssaid "v...Yes, we might ask if they would have ssaid "vast" -- but they certainly thought the central government was too weak, and certainly sought to make it stronger.gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-33801043730293464932011-06-15T22:32:21.609-04:002011-06-15T22:32:21.609-04:00I doubt many Federalists would go along with the s...I doubt many Federalists would go along with the statement that their goal was "a vast increase in government power." They certainly made it plain that they were interested in establishing a stronger federal government. But they saw this as a means to the end of preserving liberty; and part of their aim was actually to restrain state governments.<br /><br />See, e.g., Federalist No. 1 (observing that "the vigor of government is essential to the security of liberty" and that "in the contemplation of a sound and well-informed judgment, their interest can never be separated").PHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12011728672116977010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-12861163974096222242011-06-15T15:07:57.809-04:002011-06-15T15:07:57.809-04:00"He argued that it represented a vast increas..."He argued that it represented a vast increase in government power and that this was its true purpose."<br /><br />As the drafters explicitly said at the time!gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-85546676964763392292011-06-15T07:21:07.677-04:002011-06-15T07:21:07.677-04:00Your pal Furcival would probably really like Hoppe...Your pal Furcival would probably really like Hoppe's argument along these lines in the video and paper mentioned http://blog.mises.org/16747/the-power-of-hoppe/Stephan Kinsellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07986650653184633661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-92193828500381796052011-06-14T12:03:53.009-04:002011-06-14T12:03:53.009-04:00I know you are! Sometimes that corn starts to feel...I know you are! Sometimes that corn starts to feel durned comfortable.gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-54588754714011892302011-06-14T12:02:27.069-04:002011-06-14T12:02:27.069-04:00Um, thanks, I guess. Just to make clear, I agree ...Um, thanks, I guess. Just to make clear, I agree with the point you're making here, at least as it pertains to this particular way of using the argument that "property rights are necessary to avoid conflict".Silas Bartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09480427306873460464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-56394722313441530532011-06-14T11:50:17.518-04:002011-06-14T11:50:17.518-04:00Silas, man, you are like a corn on my foot that I&...Silas, man, you are like a corn on my foot that I've gotten so used to I would miss it if it ever went away for good!gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-89659608070377914872011-06-14T11:42:43.029-04:002011-06-14T11:42:43.029-04:00Warning: engaging this point with Stephan_Kinsella...Warning: engaging this point with Stephan_Kinsella (which usually happens when you try to talk to him about intellecutal property rights) is a sure-fire way to find yourself pulling your hair out in frustration about how someone can be so confused.Silas Bartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09480427306873460464noreply@blogger.com