tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post5660844121325107253..comments2024-02-29T03:34:23.190-05:00Comments on Who Were the Sea Peoples?: Homesteadinggcallahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-781536749635377492015-02-06T06:34:20.645-05:002015-02-06T06:34:20.645-05:00Samson, Scott mentions 17th and 18th century rural...Samson, Scott mentions 17th and 18th century rural Denmark. You respond with a mix of Soviet villages, medieval towns, and tribal lands. You don't seem to be actually addressing his topic.<br /><br />In terms of what he actually talks about, A modern town would differ in that you could locate a particular family's holdings on a cadastral map. <br /><br />gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-70825720884279226052015-02-06T01:29:21.641-05:002015-02-06T01:29:21.641-05:00Reading James C. Scott's excellent Seeing Like...<i>Reading James C. Scott's excellent Seeing Like a State. He gives, as an example of how land was traditionally held, the following: "Rural living in seventeenth- and early eighteenth-century Denmark, for example, was organized by ejerlav, whose members had certain rights for using local arable, waste, and forest land. It would had have been impossible in such a community to associate a household or individual with a particular holding on a cadastral map."</i><br /><br />Maybe I'm just weird, but I am unable to see any differences like this. Whether it's a Soviet city, a medieval village, tribal lands, or whatever, I can't see the communal ownership. How did peasant villages in the 1400s differ from modern towns property-wise?Samson Corwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10148822362930969284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-82147681719136598682011-08-19T10:45:54.667-04:002011-08-19T10:45:54.667-04:00The other major takeaway from Scott's chapter ...The other major takeaway from Scott's chapter on land use goes beyond a simple "community vs. individual ownership" - historically, what we think of as "property rights" under freehold tenure comprise an eminently disseverable bundle. The domiciling, transit, usufruct, extraction and gleaning rights to a plot - to name only the ones that come off the top of my head - can and have been allocated in piecemeal rather than unitary fashion.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08018705513587424497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-34339792796927667512011-08-18T10:22:21.225-04:002011-08-18T10:22:21.225-04:00Pedro, what is going on is clearly *different* tha...Pedro, what is going on is clearly *different* than the Lockean homesteading process. If you want to call it another type of homesteading, that's fine.gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-72336506567654948892011-08-18T08:39:37.394-04:002011-08-18T08:39:37.394-04:00"Land was owned by communities first"
D..."Land was owned by communities first"<br /><br />Does the fact that a piece of land is owned by a community imply that it hasn't been homesteaded? I think it doesn't.Pedrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09127913929445829707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-65273637303800422192011-08-17T22:10:09.189-04:002011-08-17T22:10:09.189-04:00That is true, however, I hope you forgive me think...That is true, however, I hope you forgive me thinking that it was an implicit critique of the Lockean-Nozickean-Rothbardian idea of mixing labor to acquire private property - which is often associted with libertarianism.<br /><br />Anyway; so just as a random idea: this empirical truth doesn't contradict or conflict with the traditional homesteading idea, as far as I'm concerned.Adriaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00729422695346193975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-55141617304502935172011-08-17T15:53:22.191-04:002011-08-17T15:53:22.191-04:00Nevertheless, Gene, Scott was certainly the termit...Nevertheless, Gene, Scott was certainly the termite in my libertarian edifice. That sly dog, Henry Farrell, getting me to read it.<br /><br />You did leave out the best part of Scott's account though: Historically, freehold tenure was imposed by the state <em>to simplify tax collection</em>.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08018705513587424497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-78839662418183476882011-08-17T14:41:15.200-04:002011-08-17T14:41:15.200-04:00Adriaan, I do not believe I mentioned libertariani...Adriaan, I do not believe I mentioned libertarianism in my post.gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-40129690231972410602011-08-17T14:37:25.221-04:002011-08-17T14:37:25.221-04:00I don't think communal private property is in ...I don't think communal private property is in anyway inconsistent with libertarianism?<br /><br />If these communities are a self-identified group who own property together; why would this be inconsistent with libertarianism?Adriaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00729422695346193975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-90910676667513130232011-08-17T13:49:57.763-04:002011-08-17T13:49:57.763-04:00If communities can't own anything one wonders ...If communities can't own anything one wonders what all the fuss is over collectivism. Presumably we're concerned about collectivism because communities can own things and under a lot of circumstances it doesn't turn out so well! But if they can't, what's the problem?Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.com