tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post8822330724579862365..comments2024-02-29T03:34:23.190-05:00Comments on Who Were the Sea Peoples?: Checking white privilegegcallahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-44728980606783191792014-03-17T10:24:52.336-04:002014-03-17T10:24:52.336-04:00The trick is to remember that a lot of French Cana...The trick is to remember that a lot of French Canadian settlers moved south during the French and Indian war, ending up in Louisiana. Then you watch some episodes of True Blood or True Detective, and it all becomes clear. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-77813006978652323342014-03-16T20:12:49.811-04:002014-03-16T20:12:49.811-04:00Sephardic Jews.Sephardic Jews.Samson Corwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10148822362930969284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-7631120000867841692014-03-15T14:34:56.248-04:002014-03-15T14:34:56.248-04:00I would never have guessed that, and I've been...I would never have guessed that, and I've been interacting with a lot of French Canadians lately (which usually happens ... never).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-84826250362124351742014-03-15T13:42:55.278-04:002014-03-15T13:42:55.278-04:00Or again: Protestants only make up 48% of the US p...Or again: Protestants only make up 48% of the US population. So I'd say WHITE protestants are definitely less than 40%. So if "white privilege" were really a big factor in achievement, it could easily be the case that ALL white protestant ethnicities were above average in producing doctors, with the other 60% of us trailing. gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-77206505870819386432014-03-15T13:28:50.768-04:002014-03-15T13:28:50.768-04:00Look at this MathMan: Why do Egyptian Coptics prod...Look at this MathMan: Why do Egyptian Coptics produce doctors at double the rate of Lebanese Christians? According to your reasoning, it must be because most Americans can tell them apart at a glance and therefore treat them differently!gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-65504784675749461142014-03-15T13:25:24.067-04:002014-03-15T13:25:24.067-04:00"And that's because the average American ..."And that's because the average American is likely to treat two people from two different European Protestant groups roughly the same in most interactions, so you'd expect them to have a comparable social status. "<br /><br />So THAT'S what determines ones social status?! So Egyptian Copts have so many doctors... because they are treated so well?! Black Africans have four times as many doctors as average because they are treated four times as well as average? And French Canadians achieve well below average... wait: can people tell just by glancing at them that they are French Canadian? According to your "priors," somehow people must be treating them differently in their "most interactions," because that is what determines social status.<br /><br />You are spouting nonsense.gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-77324320301934470012014-03-15T13:19:20.032-04:002014-03-15T13:19:20.032-04:00Gene, again, I am NOT saying that our prior should...Gene, again, I am NOT saying that our prior should be that it's impossible for them to be in the top 16, just that our prior should be that they probably aren't. And that's because the average American is likely to treat two people from two different European Protestant groups roughly the same in most interactions, so you'd expect them to have a comparable social status.Keshav Srinivasanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04754620266852651577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-76301579757686205462014-03-15T12:48:07.642-04:002014-03-15T12:48:07.642-04:00"the Irish American community has proud cultu..."the Irish American community has proud cultural traditions,"<br /><br />And are not Protestant Europeans!<br /><br />Do "we" all look alike to you, MathMan?gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-81995687417021157862014-03-15T12:46:01.676-04:002014-03-15T12:46:01.676-04:00"our Bayesian prior... should be that it'..."our Bayesian prior... should be that it's likely that no European Protestant groups are in the top 16"<br /><br />Why?! The Dutch are 1.6% of the American population? There are more Jews in the US than Dutch. Why in the world should we have a prior that the Dutch couldn't be in the top 16? How about Finns, at .3% of the US population? Couldn't possibly be in the top 16? Swiss, at .4%: couldn't imagine them cracking the top 16?<br /><br />That is a really silly prior.<br /><br />gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-79489236183429489262014-03-15T12:43:21.212-04:002014-03-15T12:43:21.212-04:00"And why would you assume that? They're a..."And why would you assume that? They're all alike?" I'd assume that because the European Protestant groups have for the most part assimilated pretty well into American society, so that they're considered by others to be "just another white person". That's not to say those groups are alike; the Irish American community has proud cultural traditions, for instance, but that's not what ultimately determines how they're treated by the rest of society.Keshav Srinivasanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04754620266852651577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-70326012526460056122014-03-15T12:33:32.042-04:002014-03-15T12:33:32.042-04:00Gene, I didn't mean that European Protestant g...Gene, I didn't mean that European Protestant groups couldn't possibly be in the top 16; of course they could. I meant that no matter what, our Bayesian prior, before looking at what groups are actually in the top 16, should be that it's likely that no European Protestant groups are in the top 16. So the fact that this actually is the case shouldn't surprise us much.Keshav Srinivasanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04754620266852651577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-63254258920989025592014-03-15T12:15:24.459-04:002014-03-15T12:15:24.459-04:00"So assuming that the various European Protes..."So assuming that the various European Protestant ethnic groups have comparable status..."<br /><br />And why would you assume that? They're all alike?gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-35539505744177438992014-03-15T11:42:10.137-04:002014-03-15T11:42:10.137-04:00See the winner below.See the winner below.gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-89644309414183697782014-03-15T11:41:38.094-04:002014-03-15T11:41:38.094-04:00Josiah wins twice!Josiah wins twice!gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-67279011191181673352014-03-15T11:41:26.773-04:002014-03-15T11:41:26.773-04:00Are you being serious MathMan? You really think th...Are you being serious MathMan? You really think that "no matter what" it is not remotely possible that, say, Dutch Protestants, who make up about 1 and 1/2% percent of the US population, could have gotten in the top 16?! Norwegian Protestants, again at about 1 and 1/2 %, make up such an overwhelming bulk of the population they could not conceivably have cracked the top 16?<br /><br />Think before you write.gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-63140878029271893642014-03-15T07:05:08.876-04:002014-03-15T07:05:08.876-04:00French Canadians? French Canadians? Josiah Neeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04408537831149151396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-67301742939434150932014-03-15T07:04:41.293-04:002014-03-15T07:04:41.293-04:00French Canadians? French Canadians? Josiah Neeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04408537831149151396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-15507043262375580492014-03-15T05:08:22.166-04:002014-03-15T05:08:22.166-04:00"So, what do we find among the top 16 doctor-..."So, what do we find among the top 16 doctor-producing groups in the United States? No European Protestant groups. Not one." Isn't that to be expected? European Protestants comprise a lion's share of the population, so they constitute the largest determinant of what the average will be and thus they're unlikely to deviate substantially from the average. So assuming that the various European Protestant ethnic groups have comparable status, you wouldn't expect any European Protestant groups in the top 16 no matter what.Keshav Srinivasanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04754620266852651577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-54927679639015208352014-03-15T05:05:03.252-04:002014-03-15T05:05:03.252-04:00Scotch-Irish?Scotch-Irish?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-73134028532098406592014-03-15T03:17:35.795-04:002014-03-15T03:17:35.795-04:00I'm afraid that my guess might offend our este...I'm afraid that my guess might offend our esteemed blog host.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02470489293820651609noreply@blogger.com