tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post7937941440527218331..comments2024-02-29T03:34:23.190-05:00Comments on Who Were the Sea Peoples?: Is Government a "Necessary Evil"?gcallahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-86044288917000908442014-06-09T12:51:29.093-04:002014-06-09T12:51:29.093-04:00consultingbyrpm.comconsultingbyrpm.comKen Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976919713907046171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-70496977541946399862014-06-07T16:42:42.843-04:002014-06-07T16:42:42.843-04:00So why does Bob say in his most recent post:
http...So why does Bob say in his most recent post:<br /><br />http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2014/06/is-the-state-more-like-a-gym-or-an-army.html#comment-617481<br /><br />'If you said out of nowhere, “Is your government evil by its very nature?” probably most would say, “No"'<br /><br />robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04682517711551179057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-20594202181050764042014-06-07T14:55:54.746-04:002014-06-07T14:55:54.746-04:00Well, If the aim of his original post was to make...Well, If the aim of his original post was to make the point that he thinks most people think the state is evil but support it anyway.<br />then I surely don't think he did a good job of making that point.robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04682517711551179057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-12283137037297458692014-06-07T14:31:18.939-04:002014-06-07T14:31:18.939-04:00Perhaps you ought to write Bob a note and tell him...Perhaps you ought to write Bob a note and tell him that "surely" he is wrong about what he meant when he wrote this. gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-66146408121098348502014-06-07T14:29:46.575-04:002014-06-07T14:29:46.575-04:00"My reading of the article is that people sup..."My reading of the article is that people support the state because they think it is keeping them safer..."<br /><br />No s$&t Sherlock. Despite the fact they think it is an evil, they think it keeps them safer, so they support its existence. gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-81282430779102355042014-06-07T14:23:12.178-04:002014-06-07T14:23:12.178-04:00He says that they do not support it for "prin...He says that they do not support it for "principled reasons," i.e. it is agsinst their principles, i.e. they think it is actually evil. Bob himself assured me that is what he thought in comments on his blog. gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-57834889204859785242014-06-07T14:19:32.434-04:002014-06-07T14:19:32.434-04:00Oh, I see Bob just settled this discussion in you...Oh, I see Bob just settled this discussion in your favor. Damn !robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04682517711551179057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-50778739255874697252014-06-07T14:15:48.852-04:002014-06-07T14:15:48.852-04:00Where in his article (beyond the quote under disc...Where in his article (beyond the quote under discussion) does he say (or imply) that people really think the govt is evil but support it anyway ?<br /><br />My reading of the article is that people support the state because they think it is keeping them safer - and Bob clearly thinks they are mistaken in this belief.<br /><br />To quote: "However, even on its own, narrow terms, the standard defense of the State is empirically false. It is simply not true that the existence of a large institution that centralizes the provision of military defense, keeps society safer. "<br />robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04682517711551179057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-24026674539497586812014-06-07T13:55:55.327-04:002014-06-07T13:55:55.327-04:00Gene surely you should link to my slipshod argumen...Gene surely you should link to my slipshod arguments!Bob Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04001108408649311528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-85519590300409743762014-06-07T13:07:10.786-04:002014-06-07T13:07:10.786-04:00OK, Joe, stop posting comments after drinking so m...OK, Joe, stop posting comments after drinking so much whiskey. Your last one was not even coherent.gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-40032166953421851412014-06-07T13:04:39.947-04:002014-06-07T13:04:39.947-04:00Rob, did you actually bother reading Bob's pie...Rob, did you actually bother reading Bob's piece before claiming what he "surely" must mean? Because he clearly means that people ACTUALLY acknowledge that government is evil, but think it is necessary nonetheless.gcallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065877215969589482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-39951911084233271322014-06-07T09:22:39.214-04:002014-06-07T09:22:39.214-04:00"Thus, the average person defends the existen..."Thus, the average person defends the existence of the State not for principled reasons but instead as the lesser of two evils." <br /><br />This seems like a strange claim to make in a country like the US, where there is so much patriotism and people have such reverence for things such as the Constitution, the flag etc. (This is what it looks like to a foreigner at least).<br /><br />Maybe Bob thinks that the State is not the same thing as the organized political community referred to as 'The United States of America', with its Constitution, its flag, etc?Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17386123430230365251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7225373.post-33170603766783402432014-06-06T20:11:53.469-04:002014-06-06T20:11:53.469-04:00Surely Bob must mean that people have misjudged th...Surely Bob must mean that people have misjudged the nature of reality and that the state is not actually the positive good they think it is when they make their "the lesser of two evils" judgement?<br /><br />If exercising actually destroyed her health then the person claiming "it is the lesser of two evils" would change her mind when they realized the truth.<br />robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04682517711551179057noreply@blogger.com