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Sunday, August 14, 2005

The State

"For every state must treat free men as cogs in a machine . And this is precisely what should not happen ; hence the state must perish"

-- Hegel and Schelling

7 comments:

  1. Woody7:39 PM

    That has to be one of the greatest non sequiturs in history! It's probably where Marx got his notion of the "withering away of the state" under communism.

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  2. Why is it a non sequitur?

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  3. Woody7:49 PM

    If "must perish" is to be understood as "will perish" we're probably talking about dialectical movement as a result of oppression, a reaction. Perhaps in a Hegelian system it does "follow," so to speak, but reality has proved a little different.

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  4. I see two possible responses to Woody:
    1) By 'ought' Hegel and Schelling mmeant 'should'; or
    2) They indeed meant 'will,' but that time has not arrived as of yet.

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  5. What do you mean by the term "should" is it something like "social justice?"

    As for "will" is the nearly 200 year old statement still of interest only because it has not be falsified?

    I'm no philostopher (Zappaism), but Hegel was a product of the enlightenment, and thus probably had a more positive view of human nature and potential than a thinker from this time "should" have.

    Travel a little about your United States, or even just a little about your Brooklyn... listen to the people... are you really that sanguine?

    I like the optimism of these libertarians, but I can't fathom a view of human nature that supports this optimism. Help to clear my ignorance...

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  6. I'm just explaining what the quote may have meant.

    In any case, slavery eventually was (basically) eliminated.

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