I decided to move some discussion from this post up to the top level here. Specifically, Watoosh wrote: "Well, if violence is defined as initiation of force (which, of course, presupposes certain property rights), then I think Rockwell is correct..." Well, if we define cats as elephants, then many people keep elephants in their house. More seriously, firstly, violence is not usually defined that way. It's defined as, you know, violence, so that, say, someone may respond violently or non-violently to someone who aggresses against them. Otherwise, it would make no sense to say, for instance, "He punched me, but I did not stoop to violence in response." And, secondly, the libertarian usage of "initiation of force" is very offbeat. If I wander onto someone's meadow, most people would not say I had "initiated force" -- I mean, sure, I used "force" against the earth to push off walking, but that's not force directed against...
This is true, but the more important question about liberalism, to my mind, isn't whether it's neutral or whether neutrality is desirable, but whether liberal non-neutrality is more conducive to peace---at least in our time and place---than other kinds of commitment are. A liberalism that stops sects from killing one another, if even it's not neutral about their metaphysical claims, is still a liberalism that's doing what it's supposed to do.
ReplyDeleteAssuming it actually does reduce violence, of course.
I've encountered Christian conservatives who want a Christian politics that can do roughly what liberalism is supposed to do. The problem is that as they articulate it, it tends to look a lot like liberalism (in its broadest, or perhaps earliest, outlines). Except no abortion, no gay marriage. There's something spurious about the whole exercise, as if liberal Christians can't admit how liberal they really are. I'm not saying this of Feser, by the way, it's just a tangent to the question of liberalism's job and whether there's really much demand for a substitute.
Dan, there is no plausible alternative to liberalism on the table at present, I agree.
DeleteI am a MacIntyrean in this regard: we have to hunker down and found the modern equivalent of monasteries, cause the dark ages they's a comin'!