I decided to move some discussion from this post up to the top level here. Specifically, Watoosh wrote: "Well, if violence is defined as initiation of force (which, of course, presupposes certain property rights), then I think Rockwell is correct..." Well, if we define cats as elephants, then many people keep elephants in their house. More seriously, firstly, violence is not usually defined that way. It's defined as, you know, violence, so that, say, someone may respond violently or non-violently to someone who aggresses against them. Otherwise, it would make no sense to say, for instance, "He punched me, but I did not stoop to violence in response." And, secondly, the libertarian usage of "initiation of force" is very offbeat. If I wander onto someone's meadow, most people would not say I had "initiated force" -- I mean, sure, I used "force" against the earth to push off walking, but that's not force directed against...
Well, Trump and Clinton are both claiming the election is rigged, and for the same reason (so the one who loses has something to blame it on).
ReplyDeleteHer claim is a little more subtle than his -- and a lot more dangerous, because she's blaming the rigging on a foreign power.
"Rigged" to me here means "set up so that no one out side the ruling elite can win."
DeleteAnd it only takes manipulation of public opinion to rig it that way.
It is hard to break into these parties, yes!? And they even rig the game for themselves and their own, in a myriad of ways! But I don't think the election is being thrown at a Post Office in Columbus Ohio! Hahahaha
ReplyDeleteSort of begging the question? Who is doing the rigging and how is it being done and towards what ends?
ReplyDeleteI think you mean "raising the question."
DeleteBut...
"Who is doing the rigging..."
The ruling elite.
"how is it being done"
Manipulating public opinion.
"towards what ends?"
Maintaining their rule.
To be fair, I don't see the practice of super delegates in DNC as rigging.
ReplyDeleteThe Democratic Party is a private organization that can nominate whomever it wants, whether or not they win the primaries or not. If people don't like it, they can run for another party.
Gene, Trump is claiming more than that. He's not just talking about the media/elites manipulating public opinion. He's also talking about widespread voted fraud. That claim is what attracting so much derision. There is no reason to think that we have a significant voter fraud problem in this country.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with that notion is that both major party candidates are members in good standing of the ruling elite; a win by either one would ensure continued maintenance of that elite's rule. Looks more like a final split between the two factions of the elite, an end to their 130-year "it's all good as long as ONE of us wins" bargain.
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