I decided to move some discussion from this post up to the top level here. Specifically, Watoosh wrote: "Well, if violence is defined as initiation of force (which, of course, presupposes certain property rights), then I think Rockwell is correct..." Well, if we define cats as elephants, then many people keep elephants in their house. More seriously, firstly, violence is not usually defined that way. It's defined as, you know, violence, so that, say, someone may respond violently or non-violently to someone who aggresses against them. Otherwise, it would make no sense to say, for instance, "He punched me, but I did not stoop to violence in response." And, secondly, the libertarian usage of "initiation of force" is very offbeat. If I wander onto someone's meadow, most people would not say I had "initiated force" -- I mean, sure, I used "force" against the earth to push off walking, but that's not force directed against...
One thing I've been confused about is what an "open borders" policy would entail. America has no immigration quotas today, so that would seem like open borders to me, but that can't be the case, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it. So would open borders involve something like zero walls and zero checkpoints, or would it have those but with lax entrance policies?
ReplyDeleteSamson I think you aren't seeing things well since having your eyes plucked out. In his first year in office, the Obama Administration deported more than 200,000 people. (His claim to fame is that the # has dropped each year.)
DeleteSamson I think you aren't seeing things well since having your eyes plucked out. In his first year in office, the Obama Administration deported more than 200,000 people. (His claim to fame is that the # has dropped each year.)
DeleteNo, no, no. I wasn't speaking of deportation quotas. I was speaking of quotas that limit the yearly number of migrants coming in from specified countries. Aside from not mentioning Obama, I was not talking about illegal immigration.
Bad news Gene. I agree almost perfectly. I disagree about what hard line open borders advocates such as Caplan want. Caplan would love to see American culture destroyed.
ReplyDeleteI was trying to be generous, but I suspect you are right.
DeleteHave you seen Bob's response to your article?
ReplyDeletemises.ca/posts/blog/private-property-the-only-real-solution-on-immigration/
It attempts to use a quote from one of your old papers against you.
Believe me, he sent me the link, I think about five seconds after it was published.
DeleteIn bangles the nutrition analogy: the "body" into which immigrants enter is the "body politic." So Bob's suggested solution is like saying: "don't try central planning by you deciding how much to eat! Let each cell decide on it's own!"
Oops, dictating: "he mangles."
DeleteI read Bob's response to your article on immigration. It struck me as "Break the current state down into millions of smaller states.". How that's a solution, I don't know.
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