How to Win an Argument with Tom on Biblical Interpretation

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  1. Anonymous8:22 PM

    Who's Tom?

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  2. Anonymous12:34 PM

    Ok. The First Stick Guy quotes some big internet sources, and the Second Stick Guy quotes some less prestigious ones. Aside from First Stick Guy talking about some journals, I don't see how this argument can go somewhere.
    Isn't there some larger question about the presentation of information present here? I mean, if we lived in the Soviet Union, it would seem like you'd have all the universities and professions stacked up against you on issues like higher productivity of capitalism, etc. If everything that claims to be 'professional' and 'respectable' is saying you are wrong and crazy, under what circumstances should you believe them?

    Also, I'm not quite getting this. Did you have some argument with someone about Biblical interpretation, and they cite something you didn't find convincing?

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  3. Thomas L. Knapp11:20 AM

    Interesting take.

    Obviously my take is a bit different. The most important difference, I think, is that you appear to think that we're having an argument that one side or the other needs to "win."

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    1. gcallah11:53 AM

      Tom, I'm just joshing you.

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    2. Thomas L. Knapp4:56 PM

      Works for me, Gene!

      I do want to elaborate on my point of view, though.

      I don't really discuss religion, or my beliefs relating to it, very often or in very many places. This is one of those places, because I think you do take religious belief seriously rather than just considering it another football to kick around.

      In discussing religious belief -- as opposed to, say, politics -- my goal is not really to persuade anyone of anything. It's more a matter of being interested in saying "here's what I believe and why" versus what someone else may believe and why, and seeing if anything interesting comes of it.

      I'm not disinterested in persuasion because I don't think it's important. I'm disinterested in persuasion because almost any religious belief by definition includes a strong element of faith.

      Faith is not really subject to empirical proof or disproof, and (assuming certain things even MAY be true) it is foolhardy, and perhaps downright evil, to intentionally attempt to prang someone else's.

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    3. Anonymous5:52 PM

      Who is this Tom? Is he part of the conspiracy?

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    4. gcallah9:47 PM

      Tom is Knappster.

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